‫תגובות לפוסט: "Why ubuntu sucks in keeping the distribution in good shape?"‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/ ‫בלוג טכנולוגי פוליטי‬ Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:57:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 ‫מאת: amos‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-4310 ‫amos‬ Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:36:50 +0000 http://tomercohen.com/?p=578#comment-4310 ‫i don't get it. are there two different versions of firefox for ubuntu? the mozilla version and the canonical one? i just installed ubuntu 9.04 and it has ff 3.01 and no update available to 3.5. but when i went to mozilla site i found a 3.5 for linux version. should i install it? what exactly is the difference between the two versions? why are there two version? i'm a pretty new linux user. is each version also called a different package? or the word package represents something else. thanks very much, amos‬ i don't get it. are there two different versions of firefox for ubuntu? the mozilla version and the canonical one?

i just installed ubuntu 9.04 and it has ff 3.01 and no update available to 3.5. but when i went to mozilla site i found a 3.5 for linux version.

should i install it? what exactly is the difference between the two versions? why are there two version?

i'm a pretty new linux user. is each version also called a different package? or the word package represents something else.

thanks very much,
amos

]]> ‫מאת: ulrik‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-3902 ‫ulrik‬ Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:01:49 +0000 http://tomercohen.com/?p=578#comment-3902 ‫Tomer: The LiveCD itself, for a particular LTS release, gets updated. Like Ubuntu LTS 8.04.1 etc!‬ Tomer: The LiveCD itself, for a particular LTS release, gets updated. Like Ubuntu LTS 8.04.1 etc!

]]> ‫מאת: צפריר כהן‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-3899 ‫צפריר כהן‬ Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:31:45 +0000 http://tomercohen.com/?p=578#comment-3899 ‫Tomer: by "upstream" I did refer to the Mozilla's Firefox and not to Debian's Iceweasel. Again: is there a patch to the bug? (is it assinged to the right package?) If not: could you speculate why? If there is: why was it not applied? Knowing that there is a bug is just the fist step to resolving the issue.‬ Tomer: by "upstream" I did refer to the Mozilla's Firefox and not to Debian's Iceweasel.

Again: is there a patch to the bug? (is it assinged to the right package?) If not: could you speculate why? If there is: why was it not applied?

Knowing that there is a bug is just the fist step to resolving the issue.

]]> ‫מאת: lefty.crupps‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-3897 ‫lefty.crupps‬ Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:38:27 +0000 http://tomercohen.com/?p=578#comment-3897 ‫"which are making Ubuntu users suffer from some issues "which are not relevant to other Linux user"s. This is a constant issue with *buntu and one reason why I stopped using the distro. I am still getting emails about bugs that I filed years ago that they've not fixed but the rest of the world has. Your right-to-left website is extremely difficult to add comments to since the cursor seems to bounce all over the place when trying to quote or type... I don't get it.‬ "which are making Ubuntu users suffer from some issues "which are not relevant to other Linux user"s.

This is a constant issue with *buntu and one reason why I stopped using the distro. I am still getting emails about bugs that I filed years ago that they've not fixed but the rest of the world has.

Your right-to-left website is extremely difficult to add comments to since the cursor seems to bounce all over the place when trying to quote or type… I don't get it.

]]> ‫מאת: Jon‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-3896 ‫Jon‬ Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:37:50 +0000 http://tomercohen.com/?p=578#comment-3896 ‫There seems to be an army of launchpad volunteers who repeatedly copy and paste a standard diatribe "thank you for your bug report. Can you please append XYZ to the bug" without checking whether XYZ are actually in the original report. Perhaps they could better spend their time checking whether issues were relevant/reported/fixed upstream?‬ There seems to be an army of launchpad volunteers who repeatedly copy and paste a standard diatribe "thank you for your bug report. Can you please append XYZ to the bug" without checking whether XYZ are actually in the original report. Perhaps they could better spend their time checking whether issues were relevant/reported/fixed upstream?

]]> ‫מאת: Tomer Cohen‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-3895 ‫Tomer Cohen‬ Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:57:23 +0000 http://tomercohen.com/?p=578#comment-3895 ‫<blockquote>LTS version gets updates not only in repositories but new ISO files are also available, so your comment regarding hurting users who use liveCD is void.</blockquote> shlomil - I am not sure if you are right. When you have a LiveCD, you'll keep it, and probably won't replace it every six months. And even if you are, this issue is still open for 8.04.x and up. I hope it will be fixed by 8.10 as they will be required to update the package due to new major release from Mozilla.‬

LTS version gets updates not only in repositories but new ISO files are also available, so your comment regarding hurting users who use liveCD is void.

shlomil – I am not sure if you are right. When you have a LiveCD, you'll keep it, and probably won't replace it every six months. And even if you are, this issue is still open for 8.04.x and up. I hope it will be fixed by 8.10 as they will be required to update the package due to new major release from Mozilla.

]]> ‫מאת: shlomil‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-3894 ‫shlomil‬ Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:48:45 +0000 http://tomercohen.com/?p=578#comment-3894 ‫LTS version gets updates not only in repositories but new ISO files are also available, so your comment regarding hurting users who use liveCD is void. regarding Ubuntu bug tracking system- almost all other linux distributions have BTS including Debian. The bug are reported to the distro BTS so the package maintainers can create a patch or upgrade from the upstream. there is nothing wrong with that. I guess that part of being a good bug reporter is knowing where to post it. Ubuntu users are sometimes less technical and bad bug reporters but their bug reports do help Ubuntu developers pin-point the issues. About people asking you to leave them alone while you try to explain where is the right place for their bugs: You are a troll. admit it :) you must learn to be less offensive when aproaching these crowds. Generally, I agree with you that something is very wrong in the way thing work right now and a chnge is needed. I'm not sure you have the right solutions.‬ LTS version gets updates not only in repositories but new ISO files are also available, so your comment regarding hurting users who use liveCD is void.

regarding Ubuntu bug tracking system- almost all other linux distributions have BTS including Debian. The bug are reported to the distro BTS so the package maintainers can create a patch or upgrade from the upstream. there is nothing wrong with that. I guess that part of being a good bug reporter is knowing where to post it. Ubuntu users are sometimes less technical and bad bug reporters but their bug reports do help Ubuntu developers pin-point the issues.

About people asking you to leave them alone while you try to explain where is the right place for their bugs:
You are a troll. admit it :) you must learn to be less offensive when aproaching these crowds.

Generally, I agree with you that something is very wrong in the way thing work right now and a chnge is needed. I'm not sure you have the right solutions.

]]> ‫מאת: Tomer Cohen‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-3891 ‫Tomer Cohen‬ Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:34:59 +0000 http://tomercohen.com/?p=578#comment-3891 ‫<strong>nixternal</strong> - First of all, thanks for your reply. I gave only one example of the way Ubuntu users behave, but familiar with other issues similar to this. Don't get me wrong, I love Ubuntu and using it both as my desktop computer(s) at work, and my personal computer at home. I think that Ubuntu is a very important step for getting more users to switch to Linux, and hope to see Ubuntu, like any other OSS project success. My problem with Ubuntu is simple - It try to become the connection between the users and the software, and even inject "report bug on launchpad" on every 3rd party software shipped with Ubuntu, but after users are reporting there bugs - no one will take care of it if it's not Ubuntu fault, and because Ubuntu are not familiar enough with the software itself, there is no chance Ubuntu can solve anything from their side. Such issues can be simply fixed if Launchpad will forward issues upstream. (In this case, Mozilla is the direct upstream and not Debian, because Ubuntu are packaging the browser themselves AFAIK)‬ nixternal – First of all, thanks for your reply. I gave only one example of the way Ubuntu users behave, but familiar with other issues similar to this. Don't get me wrong, I love Ubuntu and using it both as my desktop computer(s) at work, and my personal computer at home. I think that Ubuntu is a very important step for getting more users to switch to Linux, and hope to see Ubuntu, like any other OSS project success.

My problem with Ubuntu is simple – It try to become the connection between the users and the software, and even inject "report bug on launchpad" on every 3rd party software shipped with Ubuntu, but after users are reporting there bugs – no one will take care of it if it's not Ubuntu fault, and because Ubuntu are not familiar enough with the software itself, there is no chance Ubuntu can solve anything from their side. Such issues can be simply fixed if Launchpad will forward issues upstream.

(In this case, Mozilla is the direct upstream and not Debian, because Ubuntu are packaging the browser themselves AFAIK)

]]> ‫מאת: Ddorda‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-3890 ‫Ddorda‬ Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:41:39 +0000 http://tomercohen.com/?p=578#comment-3890 ‫maybe you can make a mozilla 3rd party source, so we can have a firefox without changes and with the real translations? I can make you the .deb files if you want so...‬ maybe you can make a mozilla 3rd party source, so we can have a firefox without changes and with the real translations?
I can make you the .deb files if you want so…

]]> ‫מאת: nixternal‬ http://tomercohen.com/2009/06/01/why-ubuntu-sucks-in-keeping-the-distribution-in-good-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-3888 ‫nixternal‬ Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:00:24 +0000 http://tomercohen.com/?p=578#comment-3888 ‫You list one issue here and that is with Firefox, and because of this one issue Ubuntu sucks? I fail to find the reasoning fully I guess. As for sending bugs upstream, Ubuntu hasn't gotten better at that and even have a person who is working on making it even better. Like some have said, some of the bug reports we get may not be valid upstream issues, especially in the case of KDE 4. You could also class every other distribution in here as well, because there are bugs and patches reported in a distros bug tracker, but aren't pushed upstream at all. At least with Launchpad, people are encouraged to file the report upstream or create what is known as an upstream task if they don't know what they are doing really. Then the developers will come through and tidy that up. There are many volunteer members who are working on tidying things up and creating upstream tasks or reports.‬ You list one issue here and that is with Firefox, and because of this one issue Ubuntu sucks? I fail to find the reasoning fully I guess. As for sending bugs upstream, Ubuntu hasn't gotten better at that and even have a person who is working on making it even better. Like some have said, some of the bug reports we get may not be valid upstream issues, especially in the case of KDE 4. You could also class every other distribution in here as well, because there are bugs and patches reported in a distros bug tracker, but aren't pushed upstream at all. At least with Launchpad, people are encouraged to file the report upstream or create what is known as an upstream task if they don't know what they are doing really. Then the developers will come through and tidy that up. There are many volunteer members who are working on tidying things up and creating upstream tasks or reports.

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